Posts by moggy lover

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Antichrist

by knight40 in

what is the jehovah witness point of view on the antichrist?.

is there only one antichrist?

or is he or it to come in the future?

There is a sense in which you are right on both counts. The first mention of Antichrist is at 1Jo 2:18 and it is interesting to note that here, at this text, which provides the norm for the doctrine, we have TWO, not just one, contextual reference.

Jo tells is readers "You heard AN Antichrist is COMING" [The anarthrous noun may be a name, hence Antichrist without the "an"] but note

1 The singular, 2 The singular is in some way FUTURE 3 One of the things that we DONT know is where his readers had "heard" of the coming of this individual. Several commentators have speculated that they might have heard sermons preached on the subject by several evangelists, like the Apostle Paul, or even Apollos

But Jo also said: "So also NOW there are many antichrists"

These were already at work, evidently undermining the Christian heritage in the various churches.

From the above we can gather that John seems to anticipate an individual [who he did not identify] who is specifically a person who would assume the identity of a notorious opponent of Jesus Christ. Whatever this person would do in the unspecified future, was already being done in a more limited way by a collective group of opponents to the Faith.

It is interesting to see what the WTS has done with this teaching. In the "[human] Reasoning" book, pg 32 rather than taking BOTH usages of the word "Antichrist" equally literally, they have chosen to accept only the latter part as literal, ie that "Antichrist" is a collective group. The first usage is now applied symbolically: The individual "antichrist" is actually also a collective group, an "Antichrist Class" Evidently anyone, who like us, actively oppose the WTS

Makes ya proud to be part of a prophecy huh? You and us were included in the "coming" AC.

Maybe, John's readers had heard a sermon preached by Paul that went something like this: "In the 21st Cent there is gunna be these apostates who will oppose the GB on summat called the innernet yep, thems the coming AC"

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What is your favorite Bible?

by inquirer in

i have a couple: new american bible, new jerusalem bible, new world translation and the world english bible.

i know i am going to cop it because i like the new world translation -- i have done a lot of research on it, and don't come to the same conclusion as nearly everyone else and think it's automatically bad just because it's done by the jw's.

doesn't mean i am pro-catholic because i like their bibles too...

moggy lover

If I have a "favourite" it would be the New American Standard Bible. However I agree that the World English Bible, [WEB] is probably better. Problem is that it is available only on the internet, and not in print form. If I had a print version of it I'd use that. Incidently it is a revision of the old 1901 ASV which the WTS used to use because it had "Jehovah" in it. This word has now gone into disuse because of the growing wealth of scholarship, [which never stops] and the newer versions, like the WEB, if they carry the name, prefer "Yahweh" which is far more accurate. I also like the Jerusalem Bible.

By the way, another Bible which is provided as a free service through Bible.com is the New English Translation [NET for short, to indicate that it, too, is only available through the interNET]

I would have had a greater respect for the NWT if Freddy Franz was a genuine scholar. He described himself as being "largely self-taught" Yeah right. No wonder he could'nt tell a Hebrew 'Aleph from a leg of pork.

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WT 5/1/06 -Backing Away from 1914? - NO

by TheListener in

backing away from 1914?

i think not.. may 1, 2006 wt third study article on page 27, paragraph 2 and 3 state:.

"2. almost 30 years after that pentecost in 33 c.e., the apostle paul confirmed that christ had not yet taken full kingdom power, but he was "at the right hand of god, from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet.

moggy lover

Re the graphs, Leolaia:

There is obviously a decline in the importance of 607 BC I mean they are still prattling on about the "time of the end" and all that but no 607 BC to back them up.

Can it possibly be that they actually may drop that date? Seeing that it is becoming harder to sustain in the light of the information from forums such as ours?

But then they will be stuffed for "explaining" the Gentile Times!!

Super Presentation, by the way.

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What do you know about the Gideons?

by Snoozy in

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friends

i went with my daughter today to the hospital as she had to have some tests done.. .

on a shelf was a gideon bible.

it had some of their history in the front pages.

moggy lover

Re The above.

I have learnt that the Gideons have received the publishing rights to three English translations of the Bible: KJV, NKJV, and THE Revised Berkeley Version. All of these translations make infrequent use of the word "Jehovah" usually relying on the term "LORD" to describe the God of the OT

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What do you know about the Gideons?

by Snoozy in

jw
friends

i went with my daughter today to the hospital as she had to have some tests done.. .

on a shelf was a gideon bible.

it had some of their history in the front pages.

moggy lover

The NI Dict of the Christian Church [pg 412] says the following:

The Gideons are an association of Christian business and professional men that grew out of a meeting between one John Nicholson, and one Samuel Hill. They had occasion to meet at the Central Hotel, Biscobel, Wisconsin in 1898.

While participating in evening devotions, the two men discovered that they shared a common faith. They met again the next year, and this time were joined by one WJ Knight.

It was then that they organized an association of Christian travelling men, who called themselves the "Gideons" in recognition of the OT hero who had led a small band of Israelites to victory over the Midianites, as mentioned in the book of Judges chs 6 and 7.

From that time, the membership of the group has grown into an international community of some 42,000 people in 90 countries.

Their stated aim is to evangelize the message of Christ, and win people to him, particularly by the free distribution of Scripture. The cost for this is met by the Community, and several churches worldwide.

The programme of distribution first began in 1908 when copies of the Bible and the NT were placed without cost in certain public places such as hotels. The work spread to prisons, and to schools. They also reach hospitals, Military Institutions, and other places such as Govt buildings.

They are only involved in the distribution of Bibles and the NT. There is no "church" called the "Gideon Church"or whatever.

The last statistic I have is that by 1972 they had placed

11,000,000 Bibles, 91,000,000 NTs worldwide in 32 languages

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Do you still refer to God as Jehovah?

by nomoreTRUTHplz in

i am curious if anyone still calls their god jehovah.

when i think of jehovah all i can think of is what they taught me.

it was true at first i felt a much more personal and stronger relationship with god when giving him a name, however certain things they taught forced me to see him as a cold and unloving god.

moggy lover

The WTS often makes certain fallatious comments such as: "The name of God, Jehovah, occurs nearly 7,000 times in the Bible" [Paradise book pg 41]

The truth of the matter is that it does not. It occurs over 7,000 times IN THE OT PART of the Bible. Deceptive comments such as that found in the "Paradise" book blur the distinct fact the the Tetragrammaton is fully and irrevocably absent from the NT part of the Bible. From this Christian "Dispensation" marked by the writings of the NT we have to deal with a new set of circumstances.

This of course, does not invalidate the heritage left to us by the OT. It refers to God there by the distinctive name YHVH. The trend of modern scholarship is to regard the pronunciation of this word as "Yahweh" - the word "jehovah" now being seen as a mongrelization of the true name of the OT God.

So, when making reference to any OT quote, I find nothing wrong in using "Yahweh"

The NT however is another matter, and that is a subject for another time.

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Who has the new publication: What does the bible REALLY teach?? Need Scan

by Lady Liberty in

can anyone out there scan from the first chapter of what does the bible really teach book?

it is a newer publication.

aparently on another thread, chapter one explains why questions are good to ask of your religion.

moggy lover

Gasp and hotdamn!!

[He says picking himself up from the floor, having fallen down like a stunned mullet]

Atlantis me lad, you have surpassed yourself !!

Devilishly clever what?

Why not run a regular segment on JWD,eventually preparing downloads of the whole book. Copyright problems you reckon?

Ta, mate

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JW urban legends

by Highlander in

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friends

i remember very few of the details, of when, where and exactly what took place, however a few years ago i was told the story about three elders that were walking together and the middle.

elder was struck and killed by lightning.

the other two elders went to his house to help out his wife and discovered 'apostate' material in their home.

moggy lover

I heard the same story as Looking glass, but the location was changed. This time it was the Missionary home in Papua New Guinea, which at that particular time was housing two Aussie sisters. Not knowing who the residents were, this robber/rapist breaks his way in. In the meantime, the girls unexpectedly arrive, and our r/r quickly hid under the bed. He was so moved by their night time prayers, that he slid out while thay were asleep and became Co material in the WTS!

Bollocks!

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